Here we are in the midst of the Thanksgiving holiday in America and I thought it important to really understand where and how this wonderful holiday, enriched with all sorts of feasting and family time, came about in the first place.
Most stories of Thanksgiving start with the harvest celebration of the pilgrims which stems from their ancient Pagan background and celebration of Lughnasadh where in England the year’s harvest was celebrated and like many Pagan holidays, officially adopted and recognized by the Church of England as Apple Day or Harvest Home.
Known in Modern Ireland as Lá Lúnasa, in Welsh as Gwyl Awst, in Manx as Lla Lluanys, as Laa'n Ouyr (Day of the Harvest Season) or as Lammas. Throughout Western Europe essentially it is a harvest festival that signals the beginning of the harvest season and the ripening of the apples as well as other fruits and vegetables. Applejack, hard cider, mead and other alcoholic beverages were made and consumed at this time.
This holiday is a day of mixed joy and woe (Irish wakes are an old tradition), for it is by now obvious that the days are getting shorter. Stories of the battles between Lugh and Balor (the light, Sun & Fire Yahweh and the dark one) are retold, as the autumn quarter of Foghamhar begins.
The Pilgrims brought their rituals and celebrations with them to the new world and thus after a bountiful harvest of that year it was only natural to carry on the traditions just like they did back in merry old England but I may be getting ahead of myself.
The very first recorded Thanksgiving celebration between the Pilgrims and the Indians took place in the autumn of 1621. Although they did have a three-day feast in celebration of a good harvest, and the local Indians did participate, this "first Thanksgiving" was not a holiday, simply a gathering.
There is little evidence that this feast of thanks led directly to our modern Thanksgiving holiday. Thanksgiving can, however, be traced back to 1863 when Pres. Lincoln became the first president to proclaim a Thanksgiving Day. The holiday has been a fixture of late November ever since.
However, since most school children are taught that the first Thanksgiving was held in 1621 with the pilgrims and Indians, let us take a closer look at just what took place leading up to that event, and then what happened in the centuries afterward that finally gave us our modern Thanksgiving. You know me. I have to dig deeper.
The Pilgrims who sailed to this country aboard the Mayflower were originally members of the English Separatist Church (a Puritan sect). They had earlier fled their home in England and sailed to Holland (The Netherlands) to escape religious persecution. There, they enjoyed more religious tolerance, but they eventually became disenchanted with the Dutch way of life, thinking it ungodly and sinful.
Seeking a better life, the Separatists negotiated with a London stock company to finance a pilgrimage to America. Most of those making the trip aboard the Mayflower were non-Separatists but were hired to protect the company's interests. I bet you didn’t know that only about one-third of the original colonists were Separatists.
The Pilgrims set ground at Plymouth Rock on December 11, 1620 in the middle of winter! Talk about planning! Their first winter was devastating to say the least. At the beginning of the following fall, they had lost 46 of the original 102 who sailed on the Mayflower! But the harvest of 1621 was a bountiful one as I said earlier.
The remaining colonists decided to celebrate in compliance with their traditions with a feast. If it were not for a local Indian community, the Pilgrims would have suffered many more losses and the harvest would have been much less. The Indians introduced their native crops to the Pilgrims and thus gave them more food for the coming winter.
91 Indians who that had helped the Pilgrims survive their first year were invited guest. The feast was more of a traditional English harvest festival than a true "thanksgiving" observance as we’re familiar. It was more in line with Harvest Home and as tradition in England lasted three days.
Governor William Bradford sent four men after wild ducks and geese. It is not certain that wild turkey was part of their feast. However, it is certain that they had venison. I bet you didn’t know that the term "turkey" was used by the Pilgrims to mean any sort of wild fowl.
Another modern staple at almost every Thanksgiving table is pumpkin pie. But it is unlikely that the first feast included that treat. The supply of flour had been long diminished, so there was no bread or pastries of any kind. However, they did eat boiled pumpkin, and they produced a type of fried bread from their corn crop much like our modern day cornbread hush puppies that we enjoy today.
There was also no milk, cider, potatoes, or butter. There were no domestic cattle for dairy products, and the newly-discovered potato was still considered by many Europeans to be poisonous! But the feast did include fish, wild berries, watercress, lobster, dried fruit, clams, venison, and plums.
This "thanksgiving" feast was not repeated the following year. Many years passed before the event was repeated. It wasn't until June of 1676 that another Day of thanksgiving was proclaimed. On June 20 of that year the governing council of Charlestown, Massachusetts, held a meeting to determine how best to express thanks for the good fortune that had seen their community securely established. By unanimous vote they instructed Edward Rawson, the clerk, to proclaim June 29 as a day of thanksgiving.
It is notable that this thanksgiving celebration probably did not include the Indians, as the celebration was meant partly to be in recognition of the colonists' recent victory over the "heathen natives". How times changed and memories faded by then. Sad but true.
A hundred years later, in October of 1777 all 13 colonies joined in a thanksgiving celebration. It also commemorated the patriotic victory over the British at Saratoga. But again it was a one-time affair not to be repeated during the War of Independence.
Right after the war George Washington proclaimed a National Day of Thanksgiving in 1789, although some were opposed to it. There was discord among the colonies, many feeling the hardships of a few pilgrims did not warrant a national holiday. And later, President Thomas Jefferson opposed the idea of having a day of thanksgiving fearing the sanction of the government for religion and thus the argument of today’s church and state debates that still go on today.
It was Sarah Josepha Hale, a magazine editor, whose efforts eventually led to what we recognize as Thanksgiving today. Hale wrote many editorials championing her cause in her Boston Ladies' Magazine, and later, in Godey's Lady's Book. Finally, Hale's obsession became a reality when, in 1863, President Lincoln proclaimed the last Thursday in November as a national day of Thanksgiving.
Thanksgiving was proclaimed by every president after Lincoln. The date was changed a couple of times, most recently by Franklin Roosevelt, who set it up one week to the next-to-last Thursday of the year in order to create a longer Christmas season. Public uproar against this decision caused the president to move Thanksgiving back to its original date two years later. And in 1941, Thanksgiving was finally sanctioned by Congress as a legal holiday, as the fourth Thursday in November.
I think that should be enough or your brains are going to explode. So now you know some of the true origins of Thanksgiving. Like a rich beautiful vine, has its roots deep in Pagan Lughnasadh and intertwines throughout early English and American culture till we arrive to where we are today. I wish everyone on the Tribe a Happy Thanksgiving and a Happy Lughnasadh to be spent with the ones you love.
Next up is Christmas so fasten your seatbelts!

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Posted on November 20, 2009, 9:16 pm(jumpin up and down in joy) Mike - I *love* when you do these history lessons. It's so frickin cool. I wonder how many hours you put into the research for this one. I learn so much each time.
I'm not going to do a pagan's perspective on Lughnassadh, but I do want to throw this bit out there. Lugh is about balance. The moment between the inhale and the exhale. The space taken by intwined hands of two separate bodies. The moment between when you mentally fall over the edge or orgasm, and your body actually spoos. The time between when you wake up and when you get up. Next weekend when things are crazy and tempers are starting to get tense, take a moment, breathe, and mentally spread peace throughout your house. Live in the moment and relish each other's company.
I'm thankful for all those who make Tribalectic possible, and I'm thankful for those of you who partake of it.
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Wow Mike, I absolutely loved
Posted on November 20, 2009, 9:28 pmWow Mike, I absolutely loved your story!!! I got a little confused on the dates, but getting confused is easy for me to do,lol. And I am thrilled that you threw Thomas Jefferson in there. I am a huge fan of his ideas for separation of church and state. I agree 100% with him and wish that we still did not have to deal with it. You'd think in 200 odd years, we could get it right,lol.
Thanks again Mike. You taught me a lot about this Holiday and I'm gonna pass it on!!
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Goooooo, TJ! If you ever
Posted on November 20, 2009, 9:46 pmGoooooo, TJ! If you ever get the chance to see his home, Monticello, in Virginia - it is so worth it! He wasn't perfect by any means, but that dude was smart and creative, and yep, Luna, I'm with both of you 100% on the separation of church and state.
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In 2009 Lunachick sparked
Posted on November 20, 2009, 9:51 pmIn 2009 Lunachick sparked the first known celebration of Cooter Pie. Though not a new dessert, it was the first year Tribe members acknowledged it as an official, stemless Thanksgiving treat. Who wants fried pumpkin when you can have Luna Cooter Pie?
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Thanks Mike for the history
Posted on November 20, 2009, 10:01 pmThanks Mike for the history lesson that is not normally taught in this depth.Bravo for your research and I actually enjoyed reading it,which for me is a feat in itself.Seems I have become a picture only person..lol...but need to get back in tune to learning how much we can learn from reading.Lazy ass me..haha
Lobster sounds good right now,and my ancestors may well have been the sinful and ungodly ones the pilgrims wanted to escape from...hmmm....can't imagine that....arrrrrrrr.
Happy Thanksgiving to all !!
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Quote: Who wants fried
Posted on November 20, 2009, 10:14 pmGood point majik...hahaha
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ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!! I fuckin
Posted on November 20, 2009, 10:16 pmROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!! I fuckin love you subtle!!!!!!!!! I about fell off the bed reading that. I don't think I have laughed this hard in ages. I'm still crying, so if I misspelled anything, too damn bad,lol.
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Mission accomplished!
Posted on November 20, 2009, 10:22 pmMission accomplished!
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Quote:[from Magik]In 2009
Posted on November 20, 2009, 11:48 pmRevised:
In 2009 Lunachik and Magik sparked the first known celebration of Cooter Pie.
The way I remember it, Luna grew the fruit, and Magik provided the recipe. You 2 girls make a good team. Grandmothers and mothers all over the country will bring out their pumpkin pies, after dinner, and then say "What are you giggling about?"
Don't forget the whipped cream everyone!! And Happy Thanksgiving to all.
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OMG! I don't think I can eat
Posted on November 21, 2009, 3:07 amOMG! I don't think I can eat my wife's pumpkin pie this week or eat her cooter pie without thinking about this and laughing! Thanks a lot guys and Happy Thanksgiving! I am deeply thankful for all of you! You all have helped me through a very difficult time and still do!
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Quote:[from Mike]I don't
Posted on November 21, 2009, 6:01 amUh, Mike,
I'm pretty sure that's the plan. I wish I could be there when you try to explain why you're laughing.
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Well if its at the table
Posted on November 21, 2009, 9:32 amWell if its at the table with her parents that won't be hard since her Dad's funny looking.
If its in the bed room later on I might have a hard time explaning what you are doing there in the corner cracking up! Hahahahahahaha!

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Thank you Mike- you really
Posted on November 24, 2009, 1:04 amThank you Mike- you really know your history! I'm really fascinated with your references to Lugh, and I'd love to know more about this!!! Have a rollicking good Thanksgiving!

..OMG!! Do I serve the pie with the in-laws at the table...?
*blood shoots out of eyes laughing so hard*
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Well ladysmith, that depends
Posted on November 24, 2009, 1:30 amWell ladysmith, that depends on which pie you are serving I guess! Hahahahahahaha!
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Good point, Mike!! Methinks
Posted on November 24, 2009, 1:36 amGood point, Mike!! Methinks I'll be saving THAT dessert for later, post-guest! Hurray for Redi-Whip!!
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Remember the old commercial
Posted on November 24, 2009, 2:28 amRemember the old commercial from our childhood ladysmith?
'Redi-Whip! Ready when you are! Any time! Any place!'
Little did they know that gave lots of people dirty ideas!
Boosted their sales as well I bet.
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Boy, does THAT bring back
Posted on November 24, 2009, 2:36 pmBoy, does THAT bring back memories! Honestly, I prefer Cool Whip- but they need to market it in a more 'user friendly' dispenser! Hmmmm, Cool Whip->super-soaker...!!!!!

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Quote:[from Lady S]Honestly,
Posted on November 24, 2009, 5:32 pmActually Cool Whip now comes in the spray can like Redi Whip, and unlike RW, the Cool Whip lid stays on.
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Quote:[from Mike]If its in
Posted on November 24, 2009, 5:41 pmEeeeeeew Mike,
I don't want to be there for that, I just wondered how you would explain to her why you're looking at her girl parts and laughing. Anyway, its all Magik's fault for coming up with that name for the pie. We all used to just enjoy our pumpkin pie like good little boys and girls.
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Oopsie! I've been naughty!
Posted on November 24, 2009, 5:55 pmOopsie! I've been naughty! (that last bit was for Luna!)
HAPPY THANKSGIVING EVERYONE!!
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HAHAHAHA subtle!!! Somebody
Posted on November 24, 2009, 7:44 pmHAHAHAHA subtle!!! Somebody needs to get over here and spank this girl. She needs it,lol.
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Alright! Alright! Break it
Posted on November 24, 2009, 7:47 pmAlright! Alright! Break it up! Sorry Jo for the visual! Just kidding of course!
Happy Thanksgiving and Harvest Home Everyone!
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No Let them go Mike !!!
Posted on November 24, 2009, 7:51 pmNo Let them go Mike !!! Wanna see some spanking ..lol
Maybe a Thanksgiving spanking is in order ???
But only after the "Cooter Pie" with Kool Whip
!! hehehe
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Love me some "pumpkin pie"!!
Posted on November 24, 2009, 7:53 pmLove me some "pumpkin pie"!! LOL I love this place and the people who make it great. Happy Turkey Day everyone!! Mike you are so good at this stuff. Ever thought about selling some of your writing? You have a true talent here my man!
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Oh come on! Really? Actually
Posted on November 24, 2009, 11:49 pmOh come on! Really? Actually I have a one legged bald headed midget that writes all this crap for me.
*looking down*
Damn it! Scratch that! I really don't have a one legged bald headed midget. I was looking at something else! Oh well!
What was the question?
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Quote:[from Silver]No Let
Posted on November 25, 2009, 12:47 amAaaaaaaw Silver
I was wondering if you were gonna be the spanker or the spankee, but all you wanna do is watch??? That's a little disappointing.
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